An RQD reader left a rather long comment that I have decided to turn into a post.  First his comments, then my reaction…

READER COMMENTS

Here are some observations relating to your blog I made during my holiday in Bkk and Pattaya in January. All the boys I met were from DJ-station, Lumpini Park, Gayromeo, beach or host-bar.

I found that it’s of utmost importance always to have enough 100baht-bills and therefore spend the 1000baht-bills (which I receive when I change money) first. There are many places that can’t give change for 1000baht and I had some unpleasant experiences due to lack of small change. In SeeK-dance, I wanted to tip a dancer with 100baht (I saw Thais doing this), but I didn’t have a 100baht-note. Later, I paid a bottle of coke with a 1000baht-note and waited for the change; in vain. Half an hour later (when they closed), I inquired, but we did not get to a result, so I gave in. (At that time, my Thai friend had left without telling me where he went, I looked around and tried to call him, to no avail. Next day I asked him: he had to vomit and went home alone – without telling me.). Another day, I was in a taxi and needed to pee. When we arrived at my hotel, the driver didn’t have change for 1000baht, so I had to go to 7-eleven first. Fortunately, the need to pee was no!
t very urgent.

Thai boy’s English: grammar and vocabulary is not that bad; however, pronunciation can be difficult to understand, on mobile phone it can become impossible to talk with boy, in this case I use SMS. Thais really have difficulties with pronouncing the letter “R” and often replace it by “L”. In Romanized Thai, sometimes “r” appears but you don’t hear it when Thais speak the word, e.g. Sathorn or Sathon (I found both Romanizations), Chakran sauna is pronounced like “Chakan”. Some other problem-words: “friend” sounds like “fan”. Thais have problems pronouncing an “s” at the end of a word, it is simply dropped: “sex” becomes “sek” and “tax” becomes “tak”. They often confuse “he”, “his” and “him”, e.g. “him loom not clean” – “his room is not clean”. Knowledge of Thai would give amazing insights into Thai grammar by listening to Thai boys’ English.

Bed clothes: I brought a spare pyjama (kind of T-shirt and boxers, similar to what I wear in bed) and offered it to boys, but all of them preferred to sleep naked or in underwear.

Mouthwash: I never used mouthwash before, but I brought a bottle (250ml) and it was used by most boys (I could hear or smell) without asking me, at the end it was almost empty. I didn’t know that it’s that easy to make their stay with me more comfortable, thanks for the tip!

Coin in ear: A mamasan in Krazy Dragon Pattaya had a one-baht-coin in his ear. It fits perfectly, he had no explanation why he put it there (maybe change because drinks are 99baht?).

Thai boys peeing: All my guests peed standing, at least they put the toilet seat up before they did and they didn’t miss as far as I could see. (Men peeing into toilet standing with or without missing and not taking the toilet seat down afterwards is a subject for jokes, conflicts and maybe even divorces in Germany.) What really surprises me is that they can pee with a boner (I can’t, which is a problem when I wake up in the morning with an erection and need to pee, I asked my English friends: they find it very inconvenient to pee with a boner).

Showering is much less common than I expected from reading your blog. I had boys that just wiped off cum with a tissue and then slept overnight in my bed; i.e. no shower at all during stay in my room.

Dating Thai boys: my experiences are from in-time up to six hours late (therefore, when I meet a boy in public place I chose a place where I can spend an hours without getting bored in case he turns up late).

Butterfly: I had a boy from a host-bar in Pattaya and after two hours walking on the beach and in the town I told him that I want to go to Sunee Plaza and he suddenly told me: “You are butterfly. I can see in your eyes: You are very, very butterfly.” Is this the worst possible insult I can get?

Entertaining Thai-boys: I went to the Chakran-sauna with a friend from DJ-station and the Jacuzzi was fun for both of us.

Parade of the boys in Soi twilight: You recommended sitting and watching there after midnight, but I found it very entertaining around 8-9pm when the boys arrive. Furthermore, I can recommend to take a look around and go behind the bar (Wild West Boys Pattaya) or check where they go eating (about 100m away from Soi Twilight on Surawong, there are food stalls where I observed massage boys and go-go boys and chatted with them). There they are in a natural environment, sometimes even don’t care about my presence, and the light is much better than in bars (revealing that some wear a lot of make-up, looks very un-natural).

Buddhism: I was with a host-bar-boy (the one from above who called me butterfly) and we went to the large Buddha in Pattaya where he prayed. (I told him I wanted to see the Buddha and when we were there I just followed him and it was very entertaining.) He told me that he is not only Buddhist, but Christian as well and he prayed at a Chinese temple there, too. In one Buddhist temple, there was a small Buddha made of brass which he lifted two times above his head for luck and asked me to do the same. First I thought, the Buddha was fixed to the ground, than I managed with some effort to lift it above my head twice. It was very heavy!

ICK and SeeK-dance: This is another example where I just followed a friend without knowing what’s going on and was pleasantly surprised. He did not tell me that we were going to ICK, but I wanted to go there anyway but didn’t know the directions. So I let him do everything (giving directions to taxi, ordering table) and it was very interesting. There was very nice dancing in underwear in SeeK-dance and some days later in ICK (where I went with another friend).

How do boys in Go-go-bars get their numbers? I asked a mamasan and as far as I understood, the first boy gets number 1 and and each new boy gets the next free number. If boys leave the bar, the number is not allocated to a new boy? That explains why a bar with about 20 boys on stage can have numbers up to 98, but I never saw numbers above 99. Any explanation?

Is Herpes (Herpex simplex virus) known in Thailand? It causes cold sore on the lip or genital herpes. I get herpes on my lip about once a year, and it was just before my holiday, so during the first days there was some scab on my lip. I told a friend (and showed him a printout from Wikipedia), but this did not prevent him from kissing me.

When boys (in Soi Twilight or Boyztown) shake hand with me, they sometimes tickle the palm of my hand with their middle finger.

When boys beckon me to come to them, they stretch out their hand, the palm points down and they move their fingers up and down. In Germany, we use this gesture to make someone go away, whereas with palm pointing up it means “come here”. So I was a bit confused the first time I saw it (in Pattaya in a host bar).

Boys and pillows. I went to KL to visit a friend from university (Malay-Chinese high-society woman) and slept in her brother’s room. He gave me a cylindrical pillow and showed me how to use it for sleeping on my side: put it between my legs and wrap my arms around it. (This is exactly how I like to hug friends in bed!). When we were driving in her car, my friend’s sisters had pillows on their lap. Use of pillows seems to be common in South-East Asia!

Boys and Temperature. I felt comfortable without air-con, so I left it switched off (I don’t like the noise). However, most boys switched it on when they entered my room. That’s strange because for them, it’s winter, why cool the room?

On the other hand, boys often take off their T-shirt when entering the room. Why do they do that? I like to slip my hands under T-shirts and to take them off myself, so I have to tell them to put it on again so I can take it off.

Shy boys. Changing underwear under towel after showering

In bars, sometimes a boys put on a show for me (i.e. smiling, dancing, keeping eye-contact, wink with eye, hand and lip movements). Are they really interested in spending time with me?

Another strange thing is: “Can I go with you for free” (happened twice in Pattaya: in a host-bar and on the beach, both times in the afternoon). In both cases, they finally asked for money and I gave them the going rate. But why do they say “go for free”?

I always have my T-shirt tucked in and a friend of mine told me that people look at me because it’s so unusual. I have a theories why people have their T-shirt tucked in or not tucked in. I always have my T-shirt tucked in because I don’t like wind blowing under it (besides, in Europe it’s cold most time of the year). I believe people wear their shirt over their trousers to allow others easier access to skin (by slipping hand under T-shirt), but this only works for DJ-station.

Being fat: I gained some kgs over the last months and a Thai friend told me I became fat (I’m still slim). Incredible that he noticed and remembered from 4 months ago!

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MY COMMENTS

Picking up boys at Lumpini, or any other public park, is very high risk business.  I do not recommend it at all!  At the very least you are asking to get attacked by straight youth that are sick and tired of the farang trolls in their public parks.

I don’t recall how much I’ve written about the importance of always having small change, but it will make life much easier if you do.  In addition, there has been a problem with counterfeit 1000 baht bills circulating, so many small businesses are afraid to take them.

You found boys with stronger English skills, because of the places you looked for them.  Freelancers almost always speak better English, and that’s why they are freelancers.  Communication with boys on the phone is always difficult, because they can not read your lips.

I don’t think boys have difficulty pronouncing “s” at the end of words.  More likely they have only learned the singular version of words.  It is also possible that the Thai language does not use plurals like English does.  Perhaps someone with good Thai language skills could comment.

The boys wear boxers, not PJs, so I’m not surprised they rejected your offer.  Most boys sleep in their underwear.  It is very rare to find one that will sleep naked.  The only times I’ve seen this is with the freelancers, and my assumption is it’s because they have more experience with farangs and know that its the “customer’s” preference.  My suggestion for giving a boy boxers to wear is for when he is hanging out around the room.  Boys do not like walking around in just their underwear, but are totally comfortable with a pair of boxers and underwear combination. Boys are comfortable with any style of underwear once in bed, and will almost always put them back on after sex.

These days a one baht coin in the ear is a fashion statement.  Mamasan has pockets to carry change.

Boys that do not shower, as I have described, are very low class and dirty.  I have encountered boys like this, exclusively among the street and on-line (Gay Romeo) freelancer types.  Boys like this usually can not be trusted, and there is a very strong likelihood they are HIV positive.

As a general rule, any boy that shows up more than 20 minutes late gets rejected by me.  If you allow a boy to make you wait you’re giving him control and opening the door for all kinds of other problems.  Never ever allow boys to do this to you.  They will not respect you if you do.

The use of “butterfly” from a bar boy is not nearly as insulting as from a boy in DJ station.  You should be more concerned about the boys saying to each other you are a butterfly than them actually saying it to your face.  If you have a reputation with the boys as being a butterfly they will not respect you and you WILL get treated differently.

Watching the boys arrive between 7:30 and 8:30 is also fun, but they are at work and not available.  After checking in, many go back out to eat something before they have to start performing on stage.  During this time it is common for the boys to briefly stop and visit with farang they know.  I never bother the boys while they are eating.  If they are nice to you at that time its only because they hope you will come and off them from their bar later, but I seriously doubt it gains you much respect.  Most likely, their take on it is you are a “Cheep Charley” troll.

How the boys get their numbers at GoGo bars probably differs from one bar to the next.  I have seen boys take the number of one that has left.  I’ve also seen boys wear the number of a boy that is on holiday, but still working in the bar.

Did the boy that didn’t care about the scab on your lip take a shower before or after sex?

Tickling the palm of your hand while shaking it is quite common with the bar boys.  I never bothered to explore it though.

Waving someone over, with palm down is more respectful.  To do it with palm up is comparable to calling your dog.  I don’t see this as much in Thailand, but I quickly learned it was a very bad thing to do when I was living in the Philippines.

The boy most likely turned on the air conditioner, because he knows farang will want it on and was just trying to be a good boy.

Most boys do not take their shirt off after entering the room.  In fact, it’s extremely rare to see that happen.  It is common for a boy to start undressing if he thinks sex is about to happen.  They don’t understand a lot of farang like to undress their boy, yours truly included.

QUESTION: “In bars, sometimes a boys put on a show for me (i.e. smiling, dancing, keeping eye-contact, wink with eye, hand and lip movements). Are they really interested in spending time with me?”

ANSWER: It’s their job.

QUESTION: “Another strange thing is: “Can I go with you for free” (happened twice in Pattaya: in a host-bar and on the beach, both times in the afternoon). In both cases, they finally asked for money and I gave them the going rate. But why do they say “go for free”?”

ANSWER: It is a favorite technique with some boys, because they know it often works.  It is most common with freelancers.  You did end up going with the boy and you did pay him…right?  Your conduct was reaffirming to the boy that his approach does in fact work, or he wouldn’t do it.

The reason boys leave their T shirt out in Thailand is exactly why you keep it in back home.  It is hot in Thailand.  Also, the boys wear their pants rather low, so every time they bend over their shirt would pull out anyway.  All the boys wear their shirts out, not just the money boys.  It has nothing to do with sex.  If you ask a boy why he wears his shirt out he will most likely say, “For good fashion.”

A long time ago I wrote about the obsession Thais have with nose jobs, particularly gay boys.  One friend told me roughly 90 percent of the gay boys will, or already have gotten one.  For the Isan boys, it’s mostly done to increase the bridge in their nose, as they commonly don’t have much of one.  This is actually a bit of a social stigma for them.  There is even a joke other Thais say about Isan boys and girls…When they sleep on their side one eye will fall down next to the other, because there is no bridge in their nose to prevent it.

Because the attractiveness of one’s nose is so important to Thais, telling them they have a beautiful nose always scores high on the flattery meter.

Apparently some HiSo doctor announced he would give a nose job for 5000 baht to the first 300 people that signed up.  Princess rushed down, got on the list of 300, and had his discount nose job done late last Friday.  This picture was taken by my BF the following Saturday evening.

The BF told me most of his friends have had a nose job done, and all told him it was no big deal.  But he never actually saw any of them during their recovery period.  No surprise, as the boys go into seclusion during this time.  After seeing Princess, the BF has decided his nose looks just fine…thank you very much!

Here’s wishing Princess a speedy recovery.

I trust no further explanation is required.

There’s an old saying among expats, “It’s cheaper to rent than buy.”  While this is generally true, there are boys working in the bars that will stick with a farang for a surprisingly small amount of money.

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Attractive looks is a subjective thing, but odds are pretty good a rent boy willing to stay with you for a small stipend isn’t going to be one of the stunningly cute young twink types.  Although, during tough times some of the young cuties might even elect to ride it out for a few months with a farang safety net.

You stand a much better chance of finding a boy that’s cheaper than renting if you stay away from the money boys.  Those holding down a full time job, particularly ones with a degree, are best candidates.

It is understandable why most guys end up trying a relationship with the bar boys, as they are much easier for farang to meet.  In addition, most of these boys are actively pursuing a relationship with a farang, making them difficult to ignore or resist.

It does take a bit more effort, and perhaps even a change in mind set, to meet boys that are not working in the bars. Of course there is DJ Station and GOD, but I don’t consider these places ideal hunting grounds, any more than I would the club scene back home.

Like anyplace in the world, your best chance for meeting guys like this is through a circle of friends.  For us older guys, this can be a bit difficult to establish, if one’s interests are in someone half his age.

If you find it difficult to meet boys outside the sex trade scene, I suggest keeping something in mind.  While most of the full time money boys usually associate with other rent boys, those that are part time tend to travel in different circles. Typically they are freelancers, many of which attend university. I know this, because it’s how I met my BF, and several other boys, all very open to pursuing a relationship with an older farang.

It is also important to understand that the full time money boys have a lot of friends that are part time.  Thus, making friends with the bar boys can often lead to opportunities you might otherwise have missed.

Awhile back, one of the X BFs came by for a visit and we got into an interesting discussion about not placing any value on intangibles while in a relationship.  Things like rent, utilities, clothes, meals, use of computer and Internet, and so on.  The only thing many of the boys take into consideration is the cash and gold they receive.  The fact that they don’t have the other expenses usually isn’t factored in when evaluating how good they’ve got it.  This is an observation shared by many farang friends of mine, and something we’ve encountered repeatedly with the boys.

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Anyway, the X was telling me how difficult things are for him now, because he has very little money and so many expenses.  He admitted that being freed from those financial burdens was not taken into consideration when he decided to end our relationship and move in with one of his school mates.  I reminded him that I tried to explain this before he gave up on us, but it didn’t seem to be important.  Looking back he agreed it was a mistake on his part, but added he was only 19 and didn’t think about those things.  He said that, to do it all over again, he would have handled things differently.

I’m not opening up this chapter in my life for the purpose of evaluating the relationship I had with this boy.  We both made our mistakes, but when all was said and done we remain very close friends.  In fact, I probably spend more time with the X than I do the BF, largely because the X has been on break from university and the BF is always at work.

I only mention this, because those in a relationship, or contemplating one, should consider it very likely the boy will not place much value on intangibles.  There are some that do, but at this point I would say they are in the minority.  Try as you may, most boys simply will not do the math.

A couple of nights ago the BF and one of his friends went to a sauna (bath house) for an evening of “recreation” and didn’t get home until the early morning hour.  The friend, who I’ll call Princess, is a full time student and part time money boy.  At around 12 noon he was awakened by a call from a “customer”.  I know this, because he was talking to the guy in English, and with him that only means one thing.

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I overheard Princess say to the farang he was still sleeping and would call him when he woke up.  By this time the BF was up and making rice for lunch.  Princess continued lounging until lunch was served and returned to a reclined position on the sofa after we finished eating.  Soon after, the BF showered and left for work at a little before 1.

Even though he was technically awake, Princess had not called the farang back to make arrangements.  Two o’clock rolled around and the boy got another call from the farang.  Princess told the guy he was now awake, but needed to take a shower before going to see him.  The farang was obviously very “anxious” and suggested the boy come over immediately and shower there.  Princess proceeded to explain  Thais don’t go out before first taking a shower.  Generally speaking Thais don’t like going into public without looking their best.  In this case the boy also had to take into consideration he might need to bottom for the farang, so an enema was in order.  When the farang suggested Princess shower at his place he had to assume the guy might want to join in, thus no privacy for the much needed rectal cleansing.

While the BF can get himself cleaned up and on his way in 20-30 minutes, Ms Princess Thang usually takes an hour and a half or more, so it was around 3:30 before he could get his cute little butt out the door.

Before leaving I asked Princess if this was a customer he’d seen before.  He said no, this was the first time and he was a tourist.

Mistakes the farang made, that I’m aware of:

He called at 12 noon.  Most of these boys go to sleep between 3 and 7 in the morning, and don’t start their day before 2.  Hello!?!?

He called again at 2.  Now the boy knows he’s in control of the naive over anxious farang.  The guy should have waited until later in the day to call the first time, and if the boy could not accommodate him say “next time” and move to a different boy.  This way the farang remains in control.  Never give control to the boy, as it’s a recipe for a disappointing experience.

He gave even more control to the boy by suggesting he come over right away and shower in his room.  Now the boy knows he’s dealing with a desperately horny tourist farang with little or no clue.

Despite being self centered and lazy as the day is long, Princess is a really good boy, and that’s why I adore him so much.  This man got lucky, because Princess doesn’t take advantage of guys like him, but a very large percentage of the boys do.

Don’t think with your dick when dealing with the boys and you’ll have a much better experience during your short stay in Thailand.

I was out reading posts at the Sawatdee Gay Thailand Forum the other night, and there where two or three threads talking about how much money the boys should get tipped. It seems most contributors to the discussions knew what the fair market rate is, but there are always some with the belief boys should get paid more, and a few that pride themselves in trying to undercut the boys.  Those that have followed this blog know I don’t agree with paying the boys more, unless they’ve done something special to earn it, or special circumstances dictate.  Of course, under paying them is a foolish game to play.

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In any case, the reason I’m touching on this subject again is to point out that fair market rate is just that, a way to know you are being fair with the boys.  Beyond that there are a lot of variables that may come into play.  Why?  Well, contrary to what many people believe, it’s not always just about the money with these boys.

One guy posted in the forum that he pays less than market rate, because he’s young and in good shape…not fat.  Another responded to his post saying the boys don’t care about looks or age; they just want your money.  That gentleman was wrong, and sadly jaded I suspect.

Money boy or not, they are all different.  Each is an individual with unique tastes and personality.  A very large percentage are attracted to the younger slim farangs, and some money boys WILL go with them for less, if not free.  There’s also a smaller percentage that are genuinely attracted to older men.  Some even like their men with a few pounds on them, and a hairy bear type body is often an important consideration.  I know one guy that only looks at older, fat, balding, hairy chest farang with a mustache or beard…nothing else.

Regardless of looks or age, there are boys that will go with a farang for less, or free, if they fancy him.  I don’t know what the ratio is, but it’s surprisingly high, particularly when times are good.  These guys that believe all the boys are only interested in money are the same ones that either don’t know how, or choose not to treat them properly.  They don’t respect the boys and the boys don’t respect them.  I don’t care who the boy is, he’s not going to fancy you for very long if you can’t earn his respect.

The flip side is a lot of these boys are not satisfied with keeping things at a casual level, and so the drama begins.  This is particularly problematic for the younger more attractive guys, as they tend to draw the attention of a larger percentage than we older guys do.  I’d say with the bar boys odds are very good a casual relationship isn’t what they have in mind, but there are exceptions.  I know several very attractive boys working in BKK GoGo bars that will gladly go with me for 500 baht, no strings attached.  I’m sure many others enjoy the same, but it’s certainly not limited to those farang that are young and attractive.

I’ve met a lot of younger and older farang living here that could easily get boys for free, or at a substantial discount, but do not.  They opt to pay full price as a means of avoiding any potential drama.  Paying full price for a boy does not remove his fancy for you, if it exists, yet it will evade most of the potential problems associated with free or discounted sex.

The guys that don’t want to pursue a relationship, and are content with keeping things at a casual level, most likely fall into one of two categories.  The more common are the closeted boys, where a relationship would draw too much attention to their preferred lifestyle.  To a lesser degree are the sluts.  They are young, horny and just want to have fun, including some money boys.  Well, not all of them are young, but a lot are.  I know a couple of guys like this.  One is a 20 year old part time money boy and the other is a degreed 25 year old working in an office.

Of course, there are those guys that brag about getting it for free when it really isn’t.  They like to rationalize that because the boy doesn’t get paid right after sex it was free.  Over a month’s time that boy will manage to get thousands out of the farang, but never right after sex.  In fact, all too often sex immediately follows the money.

The point I want to make with this post is there are no hard and fast rules about how much a boy will or should cost.  There is a basic standard fair market rate, which varies slightly in some locations.  It is a baseline you can use to make sure a boy is fairly compensated, but that’s it.  This is important information to know, because if paid too little, or too much, the boy will not respect you.

On the other hand, you can loose respect from a boy by paying him fair market rate in certain circumstances.   A prime example would be if you hookup with a boy right after he has finished working in his bar.  If he thinks this is your standard practice, he might label you as cheap.  In this situation, the first time you go with a boy its best to pay him a little more, so he doesn’t think you are trying to avoid the off fee from one of the bars.  Also understand the boys achieve status based on how often they get offed from their bar, so circumventing that isn’t in the boys’ best interest.  Another option is to pay him fair rate, but not have sex.  This will score HUGE points, and might lead to having discounted sex if you have him back during the afternoon, before he goes to work.

If you do not earn their respect, none of these other doors will ever open.  Sincere relationships with the boys can not be purchased.  Like any place else in the world, you have to earn an individual’s trust and friendship.  How that is done may be very different here than back home, but it is still the foundation everything else is built on.

In the first year and a half I lived in Thailand both farang and Thai boys accused me of being too transactional.  I never could understand this, because paying for sex is transactional.  Only recently I realized what they where trying to tell me without coming right out and saying it.  Focus on establishing the relationship, even if for only one night, and let the circumstances dictate the compensation on the back end.  When in doubt, fall back on fair market rate.

A few of us farang where out drinking the other night when one of the guys, who recently moved here and already has a BF, said his boy just told him it was OK if he saw other boys.  He shared this with us just after his boy had left his side to go visit with friends for the entire evening.  The boy is very possessive, so I doubted his sincerity on the subject, and suggested we conduct a little test.  I told the farang to get up and walk down to the other end of Soi Twilight and then walk back.

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He questioned why I wanted him to do this. I explained if the BF was insincere about his freedom to see other boys he’d either be on the phone to him or sitting at the table before he could get back.  He questioned how the BF would know that he’d left the table.  We all said he’s about to experience just how efficient the boys’ network really is.  I explained that all of the BF’s friends in the soi are reporting on every move he makes, and that’s why his BF has said he doesn’t care about seeing other boys.  Fact is, the BF will never let a situation develop to where he could see another boy, so it’s moot.

Sure enough, the BF called to say he was returning to the bar, because something had suddenly changed and his friends could no longer visit with him.  Our friend wasn’t back in his seat more than 5 minutes before his boy was at his side.

This is about a conversation I had with a man that’s been working in and around the gay bar scene for over 20 years, including as a GoGo boy when he was younger.  Now in his early 40’s he works mostly as a “guide” for unsuspecting tourists that wander into the red light district with absolutely no clue.  I don’t particularly care for this guy, but stay on good terms with him, as he’s probably not the kind you want as an enemy.

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Anyway, he struck up a conversation with me one night and during its course mentioned his 10 year old son.  He said the boy is very good looking and will surely make a lot of money once he turns 18 and can work in one of the GoGo bars.  In all likelihood he will sell his son to one of the bars, and I would not be at all surprised if he makes sure the boy is “well trained” before that happens.

It’s sad really, because this boy will never know anything else in his life but prostitution.  Chances are his mother was also a prostitute and still working in some capacity associated with the business.  I had heard about families of prostitutes before, but this is the first time I actually encountered one.  Boys like this will never be any good, but one farang after another will fall prey to his cunning as they open up their wallets to take care of their new found love.  All along, dad will be in the shadows making sure his son does every thing just right, so the family can cash in on the naive foreigners.

Best I can determine, boys born into prostitution are in the minority, but they do exist and are experts at capturing your heart before your wallet.  With the bar boys, if it looks too good to be true, it very likely is.

Don’t get me wrong, there are good boys working in the bars, but they are few and far between.  When it comes to establishing a relationship with one, any boy that’s been working in the bar for an extended period of time probably isn’t a good candidate.  I know there are exceptions, but that’s exactly what they are.  Any farang that can tell the story of his success will likely have many more accounts of the failures that preceded.

Too many guys come here wearing rose colored glasses.  They want to believe everything they see is real, when in fact most of it is pure fantasy.

I want to call your attention to a comment that came in a few days ago on an old post about boys peeing in their underwear (READ POST).  The information this gentleman shares is too valuable to remain buried in an old article many will never see.

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Bert’s comment…

The pee dribbling has something to to with Asian boys having a higher oestrogen level and a lower testosterone production compared to their Caucasian counterparts.
Maybe a genetic thing, but also generated by a higher intake of soy and/or green tea.

On top of that many gay boys experiment at young age (15 up) with quiet easy accessible hormone medicine, because outside of the big cities the phenomenon “gay” does not exist, or is not readily accepted, while ladyboys strangely enough are.(they live a “normal” lady life outside of the sextrady, working in supermarkets (i know of at least 5 all working in the same provincial-town-Lotus, “married” without children) and the likes. You don’t even notice until your local boyfriend points them out. When they finally arrive in Bangkok, they see they don’t really have to change their sex and stop taking the pills.

The high levels of oestrogen and lowered production of testosterone turns them into small boys with hairless bodies, narrow shoulders, small muscles, big hair and expanded prostate glands putting pressure on their urethras, causing leakage after peeing.

You should check your more hairy and butch “i am man man” gay Asian friends’ briefs for yellow spots. I bet you don’t find any.

Photo Courtesy of Private Boy Movie

I must admit some skepticism on my part when first reading his explanation, but apparently Bert is bang on with this one.

Last night one of the boys came by the room to visit and surf the Internet.  So I decided to ask him about this.  Before I could complete the question the boy abruptly interrupted, in a firm but questioning tone, “How you know about this!?”  He is aware of my blog, so I explained that a farang had made a comment about it.  Then I told him the part about this is why boys pee in their underwear.

I waited a couple of minutes before asking the boy if he had taken these pills at a younger age.  Without hesitation he said yes, but immediately added, in a confident tone, he does not pee in his underwear.  Funny, considering this boy is one of those that inspired the original post.  So I reminded him I’ve washed his underwear before, at which point he just smiled and went back to surfing the Net.